Refined & Unhinged

We're back! Somewhere along the way, the logo stopped being the point, the bag got quieter, the jewelry got smaller, and the new status symbol became a full blood panel and a doctor who actually reads it. For the Season 2 opener, we start where most of our conversations end up anyway: what's worth spending on, what's worth fixing, and which appointment each of us keeps moving to next month. Jen has a few decades' head start on aging, and she has opinions about all of it. 
In this episode:
Why the logo disappeared, and what quietly replaced it
The cosmetic procedure that keeps getting postponed, and the real reason why
Ali's Function health testing, from the scheduling saga to the blood draw itself
Genetics, supplements, and playing the long game on aging
Spending on the things that hold up
Chapters00:00 Season 2, we're back03:53 When the logo stopped being the point05:56 Living under the radar08:03 How much of your style is actually yours10:01 The cosmetic procedure question12:06 Why it keeps getting postponed13:56 Who decides what aging looks like16:00 The case for testing everything18:02 Ali's Function health panel20:04 The scheduling saga22:02 The blood draw, honestly23:59 Ali's health optimization era25:50 What testing does to your nerves28:00 Aging, health, and the choices we're making30:01 Genetics and getting ahead of it31:57 Everything is connected34:04 Supplements and the daily routine36:01 How the way you live shows up on your face37:59 Your choices versus everyone else's opinions40:02 Closing thoughts
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Ali and her mom, Jen, dig into one of those topics every woman hits at some point — what do you do when a friend keeps coming to you with the same problem, the same chaos, over and over again, and nothing ever changes? Is it okay to say something? Is it okay to walk away?
They get into the real mechanics of how to handle it: the art of the redirect (yes, just change the subject), why timing matters more than you think when it comes to hard conversations, and why bringing something up when someone is mid-spiral almost never works. Ali draws a surprisingly parallel between managing deeply feeling kids and managing deeply feeling adults — turns out, the Dr. Becky approach applies way beyond toddlers.
They also talk about the stuff nobody warns you about: the cost of being everyone's sounding board, why you should never vent about your partner to your friends, the damage that gossip does even when someone "promises" not to repeat it, and why a good therapist will always beat a group text for working through your shit.
What we cover:
How to redirect a friend who's stuck in a loop — without blowing up the friendship
Why hard conversations land better when the other person isn't already spinning
The case for asking "do you have capacity for this right now?" before unloading
Friend breakups: when it's okay to walk away and why it still hurts
Why your friends and family aren't your therapists (and shouldn't be)
The unspoken rule about not talking shit about your partner — or your friends — to other people
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We're talking fashion this week and honestly? It got a little heated. Ali and Jen sit down for a real talk about getting dressed, finding your personal style, and figuring out which trends are actually worth your time (and closet space). Whether you're someone who lives for a shopping trip or you've been wearing the same three outfits on rotation, this one's for you.
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This episode dives into our take on the energetic and transformative spirit of the firehorse year, exploring themes of personal growth, community engagement, and navigating life's challenges with resilience. Join us for an honest  chat about health, purpose, societal shifts, and embracing our authentic selves in 2026.
Jen’s favorite follows on Instagram:
@tkcivics
@leighmcgowan
@women_inamerica
@loudblonde
@montemader
@TheSheCenter
@rage_for_good
@amymaccc
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Gigi Schwirblat, NP, joins the conversation to share her unexpected journey from city life to the trail and how nature reshaped the way she thinks about resilience, companionship, and herself. What began as a fun challenge turned into a life changing experience, as she committed to taking on the Colorado Trail and backpacking for 6 weeks. 
Along the way, Gigi explores what it means to test your physical and mental limits, why community matters even in solitude, and how the outdoors can quietly change the trajectory of your life.
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Sleep shouldn’t feel this hard — and yet, for so many of us, it does.
In this episode, Ali Stricklin and Jen Dryden Hess dives into the very real, very relatable struggle of getting quality rest. From years of poor sleep habits to experimenting with every wellness trend imaginable, Je & Alii share what they’ve learned about sleep hygiene, lifestyle choices, and the small changes that actually make a difference.
The conversation explores how everyday factors like alcohol, caffeine, stress, screen time, and inconsistent routines quietly sabotage our sleep quality — even when we think we’re “doing everything right.” Jen also opens up about how technology and sleep-tracking devices can be both helpful and misleading, and why awareness matters more than perfection.
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In this episode, Ali & Jen chat about their reactions, takeaways, and feelings after diving into the Let Them theory by Mel Robbins and, naturally, spiral into some hilarious (and humbling) childhood stories where Ali very confidently tested her mom’s patience.
What starts as a conversation about emotional control, expectations, and letting people be who they are quickly turns into a reflection on how deeply a child can test their parent’s will to “Let Them”. From stress and people-pleasing to boundaries, communication, and emotional maturity, this episode unpacks how much energy we waste trying to manage things that were never ours to control in the first place.
They explore what it actually looks like to “let them” in real life. If you’ve ever tried to control the room, your parents, your kids, or literally everyone around you… yeah, us too.
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We’re closing out 2025 the only way we know how, honest, reflective, and a little unhinged.
In this episode, Ali & Jen recap the year using Thorn, Rose & Bud and map what’s next with the Keep, Toss, Create framework. What challenged us, what we loved, and what we’re intentionally bringing into 2026 (and what we’re not).
This is a playful but meaningful conversation about growth, boundaries, lessons learned, and refining your life without burning it all down.
If you’re in reflection mode, or ready to be, this episode is for you.
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In this week’s episode of Refined & Unhinged, we sit down with psychotherapist Deborah Tsagris for a raw, honest conversation about female pleasure, intimacy, and what actually happens behind closed doors…especially once you throw kids, careers, and real-life chaos into the mix.
We get into everything: how our anatomy shapes our sexual experiences, why self-exploration matters more than most women were ever taught, and the messy, beautiful dynamics of desire, orgasm, and partnership. Deb breaks down the cultural conditioning we carry around sex. We discuss how cultural conditioning shows up in our relationships and why so many women feel disconnected from their own pleasure.
We also talk about the real challenges of balancing parenting and intimacy. How you keep a relationship alive when there are tiny humans knocking at the door, how to talk to your kids about their bodies without making it weird, and why reclaiming your sexuality as a woman is not optional… it’s absolutely essential.
At its core, this episode is about taking shame out of the conversation, communicating honestly, and giving women permission to want more. It’s normal and healthy to want more; more pleasure, more connection, more understanding of your own body and needs.
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In this conversation, Ali Stricklin and Jen Dryden Hess discuss their journey towards clean beauty and personal care products, reflecting on the past experiences with makeup and the impact of health concerns on products and options today. They emphasize the importance of being aware of the ingredients in beauty products, the rise of clean beauty brands, and the challenges of navigating the market amidst greenwashing. 
Favorite Clean Retailer:
Credo
Favorite Lines/Products:
Tower 28
Ilia
Merit
RMS
Westman Atilier
Ursa Major
AKT
Osea
Primally Pure
Evolvh
Tata Harper 
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